Just an addendum to my last post: all those who are so sure that these abuses would not have occurred in a state-run education system have to explain why a state run education system would have been more transparent than the state-run planning system. Until quite recently, Irish civil society - not just the Church - suffered from a severe shortage of people willing to ask the hard questions or those who willing to blow the whistle and air dirty laundry in public. Everybody kept 'schtumm'.